Friday, October 09, 2009

The Fate of Saad bin Laden

Since his 'house arrest' in Iran in 2003 Osama's jihadi son has been a relative mystery. Shortly before Obama's victory reports said he either 'escaped' or was expelled into the Baluchistan province of Pakistan, whence followed reports of his death in June this year due to a Predator missile strike. Al Qaeda, fond of making martyrdom announcements, has issued nothing.

Why does this matter, if as suggested by officials Saad was an unimportant small fish with a big name? It may not, but it may matter quite a lot depending on the fish story one chooses to believe. Obama is currently pondering his decision on Afghanistan. If Saad bin Laden is alive and well in that country (one of the estimated 100) then it might say something about the state of AQ there and their relationship with neighboring states like Iran, recently accused by unnamed US commanders of helping the Taliban.

Of course, some claim the unnamed commanders are named Dick Cheney. And that's the problem with all of this stuff, it's hard to separate the information from the disinformation. Maybe that's why it's taking Obama so long to move.

Looking around the web for information produces mostly opinion, but some of it is interesting. Here's a purported friend of bin Laden the elder saying Saad's still alive, among other things:
Intelligence officials said bin Laden’s third-oldest son played an active role in establishing a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda.
That would have been a neat trick from his jail cell in Iran. Or house cell, whatever. Here's another morsel from binny's friend:
He said he thought it was likely that Saad was leading al-Qaeda from Iran.

"I agree that he played an important role in Iran. He has good relations with Iranians and he speaks very good Persian. Plus, he has the trust of his father as well as Ayman al-Zawahiri and Sheikh Aboul-Yazid, the second and third men in al-Qaeda, respectively," he explained.

Saied said he believed Saad is currently in Afghanistan since the situation is improving there and there would be no need to remain in Iran.
Which is to say Iran was involved with AQ, or at least the Iraq branch. Sensational and all, but it could easily be disinformation by a radical Sunni designed to set up western attacks on Iran.

Here's another expert who believes poppa Osama is still alive, and his son might be alive, too:
Unless Pakistan or the U.S. provides proof I would question this report. While the Taliban and their al Qaeda allies use phones and walkie-talkies, they, and Pakistan, are expert in the art of dissembling. The Taliban know when Predators appear overhead. They know the U.S. listens in on their conversations.

Al Qaeda and the Taliban fight together, but the Taliban are in charge. Contrary to what Petreaus says, al Qaeda is still in Afghanistan. Saeed bin Laden could have been there.
Ouch, that would be an inconvenient truth but very close to most of Obama's talking points from the campaign through August.

After Saad's reported death Time magazine scrounged up some 'western intelligence officials' to weave a tale about how Bush refused to swap Tehran some MEK terrorists for Saad and other AQ types. It's a murky article, every bit as believable as the ones above, but it quotes Peter Bergen with the following:
(capturing Saad bin Laden) "would have been a great propaganda victory" for the U.S., greater than his death could be. Adds the Western intelligence official: "Think of how Americans would feel about Guantánamo if one of Osama's sons was among the detainees."
Well yes, but think about how they'd feel about Gitmo had Saad been captured or swapped in early 2009. Would Obama be able to close the facility with a bin Laden present? He must have known quite a bit.

Assuming the Time story is Bush-bashing bunk does that mean this kind of thing could be real?
Saad served as a messanger between his father and the Quds Force of Iran. al-Qaeda used verbal messangers to avoid communication through cell phones and the internet.
OK, assuming Saad didn't leave back in 2006 to do contract work for Hizballah why would the Iranians cut loose an AQ guy acting as a human connection between Mahmoud and bin Laden? Seems risky. Yet recent reports of his departure have not come from bedoin blogger but from none other than Mike McConnell, the stoic former director of National Intelligence. Some of his parting words:
Saad bin Laden "has left Iran," said Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell at a farewell press briefing. "He's probably in Pakistan."

He suggested that Saad bin Laden's likely new location would make it easier for the United States to catch him because U.S. intelligence officials have better relations with Pakistani leaders. Postings on a jihadi Web site have also suggested Saad bin Laden has returned to Pakistan.
Wonder if Dennis Blair and crew still believe it? Or wait, Saad was killed on their watch. Problem solved.

Anyway, so we're told Saad is dead, just like his father died back in 2002, back when analysts were speculating that Saad himself had taken command of AQ.

If you've come this far it's fairly obvious we've been going 'round in circles here. Exactly how this relates to Obama's decision about Afghanistan and Pakistan, as opined upon above, is perhaps beyond the scope of common understanding. Surely some uncommon folks in high places understand it very well, though, and we can all hope one of them is Barack Obama, peace prize be upon him.


Debbie said...

I don't know anything about Saad bin Laden, but my sources have some interesting comments on Afghanistan:


"One should not be surprised by talks ongoing between Taliban, AQ, and others, with the objective of circumnavigating the U.S. and Allied war plan!

It must be AQ’s and Taliban’s objective to destabilize Pakistan and to draw a weakened Pakistan into open confrontation with India, which will draw in the Big Powers.

Coordinated efforts between JAM, Hezbollah, Hamas, Taliban, AQ are, as yet, not fully appreciated in their signal impact on the conduct of the war.”

Mookie met with Mulla Omar this past Spring.

I continue to make my known arguments that any effort in Afghanistan, which addresses Taliban, but fails to address AQ, is doomed to failure. Unless one really thinks to be in a position to annihilate them, completely. God luck.

I note that 44 is going to make an alright effort to annihilate from the top down. An effort, I support. Bearing in mind that even with OBL and Dr Z dispatched to Camry, serious thought must be given as to how to fill the leadership void in the immediate aftermath. But, I defer to the United States.

I have always impressed on the previous WH that it is a national disgrace for the U.S. to permit OBL to be alive on the 10th anniversary. And I hold firm he would not now be alive without Pak and Saudi intel support.

I am making an even stronger argument that most careful consideration must be given to what to do with Iraqi nationals, members of AQ/M. But that too seems to early for U.S. to fathom.

And so, we shall continue to follow the script."


My question... Where is Camry???

Deborah F. Hamilton
Right Truth

Debbie said...

p.s. The following quote was a while back, but we are just seeing the truth in it these last couple weeks.


USG no longer views Taliban the focus of the US war effort in Afghanistan


The above has become obvious as the White House continues to say that the Taliban is no longer a threat to the United States mainland, we don't need to be fighting them, it is only AQ, and we can do that from ships with missiles and drones. VP Biden's plan.

Deborah F. Hamilton
Right Truth